H3SW General Discussion

Orzie wrote:

Yeah. I planned to send it to the team members via PM, but I didn't have time. Sorry for that.
We can discuss the plans here - perhaps someone has better suggestions for what to have in our next releases.

It is me who spoiled your intention of sending it to us via PM, so it is me who is sorry
I don't think a change of plans is need, expect if we can't complete all the goals for the v0.8 beta.

Introducing the first promo screenshot of the upcoming v0.8 beta.

Is there any multiplayer support for this mod? I know you are using some ERA plugins, so I was wondering. Anyway, looking forward to playing the new version when it is released.

Multiplayer shouldn't be a problem, but we have never checked. I guess we will know it from the testing reports.

Orzie wrote:

Introducing the first promo screenshot of the upcoming v0.8 beta.

Looks fine so far...  ...except...  

The shadows don't have all the same angle (look at the Peasants near the tree).
The shadows trees seems correct (compared to Heroes 2), but not the shadows for the heroes and creatures.

Perhaps add black areas around the heroes small portraits buttons and the buttons, just like the castles buttons; and make the Nimbus portrait a tad smaller, and with a border.

No shadow for the monsters in the info area (Nimbus army) bottom right of the screen?

Yup, little monsters won't be revised for v0.8, but I didn't forget about them :pirat: . Heroes are completely different story; their bitmaps are facing right, with a shadow on the left side. When they're looking to the left, the game is using their mirror image, so their shadows are falling to the right of them. It's barely visible with short shadow, but long shadows look bad Monster's shadows in infobox are interesting, I will check if it is possible to implement them tomorrow

Edit: Unfortunately adding shadows to the infobox is impossible now; maybe Feanor will be able to do something more.

Uhm wrote:

Edit: Unfortunately adding shadows to the infobox is impossible now; maybe Feanor will be able to do something more.

In original game, there is a little shadow yes, but almost not noticeable. hahaha

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The shadows trees seems correct (compared to Heroes 2)

Heroes 2 have a large problem with map object perspective, shadows and lighting. I wouldn't be so sticking to vanilla graphics.

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and make the Nimbus portrait a tad smaller, and with a border.

I don't think decreasing already decreased portraits is necessary, let it be 58x64 like in Heroes 3. Nimbus needs some treatment of another kind.

Unknown_Hero wrote:

Perhaps add black areas around the heroes small portraits buttons and the buttons, just like the castles buttons; and make the Nimbus portrait a tad smaller, and with a border.

No shadow for the monsters in the info area (Nimbus army) bottom right of the screen?

I won't do any of that to be honest. I you look closer you can see that we actually have a black outline for the small hero portraits and that we have a darker brown outline for the big portrait = no border is needed. Also tell me why we should have shadows for the creatures in the hero's army. HoMM II didn't even have it

Orzie wrote:

To install the next version of the mod, you will need clean Heroes Complete from GoG.com.

It has to be that version, I mean, I've got "Heroes Complete" but Codegame's: https://www.game.es/heroes-of-might-magic-colecci%C3%B3n-codegame-pc-047244

I really don't care if I need to buy the GOG version, it's just to be sure in order to avoid bugs and such. Otherwise, I wanna know if there's an actual difference between mine and theirs.

Thanks!

Maybe it's just me, but not sure about if Heroes 2 actually has shadows for the armies on the hero info screen, or it was just reflection glitch.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OGAu_DeKckI/hqdefault.jpg

You could check it in google, man.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=homm2

The creatures in fact have some half-transparent shadows, but there aren't any in Heroes 3. It doesn't support them.
Also, not a matter of v0.8 anyway.

Hey, it was just some suggestions...   ...the expression of a feeling just looking at the screen...  

Yes, Heroes 2 has shadows for creatures on the info screens.  

You can also work around the technical limitation by including the creature's shadow directly in the sprite... :joker: ...but, it's just a suggestion....

It's always in the sprite, there is no other option.

And no, that wouldn't help. We will need soft shadows for objects and creatures implemented from scratch, like we have with the fonts.

Orzie wrote:

It's always in the sprite, there is no other option.

...by using a directly visible color (for the creatures on the info screen, not the ones on the adventure map), not a specific game color dedicated to make a shadow (ex: purple color in Heroes 2)...
...so, using a darker color than the one of the background where the monsters are displayed (darker brown color to represent the shade)...

Orzie wrote:

And no, that wouldn't help. We will need soft shadows for objects and creatures implemented from scratch, like we have with the fonts.

So, all is well then.

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by using a directly visible color (for the creatures on the info screen, not the ones on the adventure map)

I was thinking about it, but small units' sprites are used at least in three places; each has it's own palette, so simple adding darker pixels would work, but only if all backgrounds have similar colours. I will be revising interface once again for 0.9, so I will look carefully to achieve this

@Uhm

If the backgrounds are different, yes, it's more problematic, so good luck for 0.9

Introducing the second promo screenshot of the upcoming v0.8 beta release.

OMG! I've never thought that it would look so good! Could it be possible to do this kind of screen with only Witch and Dervish armies? I could be really interesting and gave us a full look of new factons

The creature stacks are actually bought from different factions or just customized for the sake of this screenshot?

Unfortunately, some creature graphics still have to be revised. But v0.8 beta should have all creatures at least in static form (without animation or having only Moving animation). We work hard everyday to fit the deadline.

The creature quantities are random.

After that I saw this screenshot I don't doubt that the other new creatures would be fully look like H2-ish. After you finished some works left behind on the to do list for v0.8 the game shall prevail at it's best form...for now.

I clicked on the H3SW link in your signature, orzie and it says on moddb:

The mod requested could not be found.

Have you changed the name of it or something?

Yes, you are right. I have rebranded the mod link there. It's not available during the maintenance work (we are busy with the web design for it).
You still can find it on ModDB in my mods list. See user "Orzie" there.

One more tasty feature of the upcoming v0.8 beta of H3SW is the conversions of official H1, H2 and H3 maps. They will allow many players to feel nostalgic and look over old battles from another point of view. Now the maps are sorted out in a much more convenient and presentative way.

The future releases of the project are also going to feature entirely new maps with maximum variety of objects alongside with the further contributions to the conversion of classic maps.

Full map list for v0.8 beta can be watched here.